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@kaiyes has joined the channel

ahem @eveyone

people from Dhaka around

or is it just a dead room

well, there are just 9 people on this channel and I'm not from Dhaka

and you are the only other person online in this channel

what did you want to chat about

there are other channels that are more active

hey thanks

no problem

well, I run the bangladesh Meteor group

and obvious that I am a meteor dev.

But recently quite a few good devs are defecting to elixir-phoenix / Clojure-ClojureScript

so wanted to check whats happenning

Word in the street is clojure is so advanced that it will take meteor a year at least to catch up. And some of the devs do not want to wait that long

also due to some changes in meteor, the community is in a “flux”. Turns out it is absolutely the worst time to start a meteor app

I have a big project coming in, wondering whether to start it in clojure

http://www.breezeehr.com/index.html

this is something in line of what we want to do . A Hospital management app so to speak

but it will have hardware (IOT) implemented as well as mobile counterparts . So to reduce complexity we are looking for a full stack reactive solution. Easy Mobile integration will be a plus.

yes, someone else said the same thing about Meteor yesterday - they are using #om instead

you should go to the #om channel and ask about using Om Next instead of Meteor

ya, its @faceyspacey .

yes

he is the one who led me to clojure

great, welcome

now is a great time for clojure/script

thanks. With Datomic, figwheel a lot of what meteor does is already covered. But reactivity out of the box is what I/other meteor devs have become so used to

yes

How is reactivity looking in clojure land

should we move to some other channel ?

even better than in React

no, here is fine for a minute

ok cool

Om, Reagent, and Re-Frame are all very popular frameworks using React

#om #reagent #re-frame

I have heard of them, thanks.

coming from Meteor you should look at Om first

just my guess

But what bothers me is, isn’t learning react much easier and better instead of doing it in clojureScript ?

no

I mean one could do the back end in clojure and front in react

THAT, in my question

om will make it easier

really

yes

that is why it is so popular

it makes react even easier and better

cljs gets compiled to regular js code

so it is better than writing in js

but I don't do om right now so you should go ask there

ok

didn’t look like that to me though. Obviously in the beginning I am a javaScript Dev so its much more readable to me

But hey thanks a lot anyway

it is only more readable because you've been reading js

I can't read French

so English must be better, eh?

learn clojure and you will appreciate that the code on the left is so superior to that on the right

to me the cljs on the left is beauty and the js is horrible

but I know both cljs and js

So I gotta start from basic clojure I guess and work my way up. I may go through the desktop app route rather than web route to make the app

no

?

clojure and clojurescript are almost identical - very few differences

clojure gets compiled for the JVM, clojurescript gets compiled for the JS virtual machine

if you know js and meteor you should use clojurescript

because the language has host interop feature so you can directly access js stuff from clls

make sense?

hmmm

So server is handled by clojureScript as well

?

its really one language on two different host platforms - one is java and the other is javascript

no the server would be java clojure

ok

thats what I thought

I can't teach you the language - I'm very busy - please ask on #clojurescipt or #om

ok

ok.

and try to learn more and argue less - if you want to argue then argue with yourself and google - go do your homework

go read

go learn

why do we write tutorials and such

so you can come here knowling almost nothing and want to spend time arguing

its kinda rude

no, it is rude

just want you to know

you probably didn't mean to be rude

I am not arguing.

Just wanted to know.

feels that way to me

sorry if it bothered you. That wasn’t my intention

if you want to know such basics then go read

and come back with better questions

doesn't that seem like a better use of everyone's time

true

have you not been able to find info online? have you looked?

if you can't find it then come back and complain

but if you haven't looked...

@kaiyes: I'm sorry I got upset. I'm very tired. I had a very long day and I have much more work to do. So I am just tired. Okay?

neverMind.

so you won't accept my apology?

please. its fine.

ok