> I’m not completely sure what to pick but starting out with Biff and transitioning to a more ClojureScript focused application if I manage to get some actual users and I still want to focus on better privacy, seems reasonable. Sounds like a good plan to me 🙂. In general this is one of the main situations I've envisioned Biff being useful for--you can use Biff to build out an MVP/simplest-thing-that-works quickly, then after you're growing you can decide whether to stick with Biff or switch to something else. For what it's worth re: Fulcro, my impression from using it a couple years ago was that it seemed like a much better fit for large apps/large teams than for a solo developer. (i.e. better for taming the complexity of a large code base than for getting something off the ground quickly). Even after 6 weeks of using it for my full-time thing (this was... 3 pivots before my current business), with many hours of reading the docs and source code, I still didn't have a working mental model for it, which made writing UI code a constant source of difficulty, even for (what I thought should be) simple things. My experience with Fulcro was a small part of what motivated me to make Biff a few months later. YMMV of course, and I'm sure it's changed a lot in the past two years! Don't quote me on this, don't want to sound like I'm bashing other frameworks 😉

I watched your video now. It looks promising!

haha, the possibilities are endless

batteries included fun framework.

batteries included fn framework.

(I'll get my hat.)

I'm having deja vu, we definitely have had this exact conversation before