hey all ✋ wonder if anyone is available to field a question about testing?

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ha okay - so I am actually from the Racket community, though have coded in Clojure too. This is more of a high level question: I want to set up my integration tests so that the database cleans up after itself, i.e. after incurring database side-effects, the database will do a rollback. My difficulty is when feature testing with rollbacks - I can transactions working with unit testing. If I make a test request to the server, the server will do database stuff but if I wrap the request to the server in a transaction, the rollback doesn't undo the changes the server makes - presumably because the test and the server are interacting with the database with separate sessions. Has this problem been solved in Clojure?

not sure I understand

are you using the same database for testing, development and production?

that is what I’m understanding from your explanation

dev and prod are separate - we'll be implementing test at a later stage

but at the moment, the testing framework behaves as the client and launches a request, the server then writes to the database - is there a way to wrap each test in a transaction so that it can rollback between tests? I've done this in Ruby using DatabaseCleaner

normally, tests also have their own db for testing

oh, you have functional tests?

when we do that, we test on a separate instance of the server that is not connected to the production database

and then you don't do rollbacks?

so they're effectively live tests, just automated

doesn’t matter, the tests won’t pollute real data

it minimizes the damage that can be done to the data

ah ok - so at the functional/feature test level, rolling back your database is less of an issue? Only at unit test level do you do rollbacks?

you just make sure you do your testing on a separate server + DB instance?

I always do my testing on a separate db instance, or at least a db instance I don’t mind being wiped out by my tests

I never use transactional rollbacks to revert db state. I see the appeal, but I always control my db transactions explicitly in my app code. Put another way, transactional guarantees are a property of my database interaction which I very much care to specify in my tests.

When and if I get to the point where my database interaction in tests are so pervasive as to become annoying or slow, I’ll look to introducing a protocol with a smaller surface area which I can specifically test in integration with the db, and reify a mock implementation for testing with dependent components.

thanks @donaldball - great food for thought

If you are using truncations to clean your DBs for testing, do you therefore have jobs/helpers to seed your database if you need some sample data for later tests? Has this proved particularly time consuming to do?

I strongly prefer to establish the givens for each test in the preamble. When I find I need many helpers to create the state I need for a test I view as a sign that I should probably look to simplify, perhaps by introducing an abstraction

Hello. is this the right place to ask about setting up Sublime + Reloaded + REPL?

@virmundi: Sure, if you have a question, just ask! You might also get a better response in #C050AN6QW, but here is just fine too

Hi, this is i am again. My problem is how to enable http2 to my project, that use jetty server. I think i can not add param --add-to-startd=http2 becouse my project use jetty like internal entity, i have defined dependency in project.clj, and in this way, my project use already compiled jar file from .m2/repository/org/eclipse/jetty/jetty-server/9.3.8.v20160314 and becouse this i can not set my own params to enable http2. Maybe someone already configured jetty to use http2 in projects? How i can do this?