Clojurians Log v2

Have you seen my cream project?

I hadn't, but I'm looking over it now. This sort of led me into thinking about what it'd look like to try and use clojure in the context of Truffle's polyglot API, but that idea is incredibly not-fleshed-out in my head.

what you describe above is basically what Crema is for, a new byte code interpreter for native-images

and cream uses that

Yeah, sorry, my mind sort of wandered off to that polyglot world. Cream is definitely interesting... something new with which to experiment.

it's not as lean as bb and also bb is still faster for most things currently, but this might change with ristretto, a JIT for crema. it's kind of sad that this replaces the need for SCI for native-images, since I enjoy working on SCI... the binaries are also bigger / take longer to compile. so there's some trade-offs, but most people don't care about how big a binary is and how long it took someone else to compile

I guess if the binary size doesn't get too wild, and maybe it eventually totally replaces the need for a JVM for bb to fetch deps and what not, then maybe it's somewhat justified. But also, I feel like SCI has enough tendrils to keep it going for quite a while, right? I mean, I still revel in the fact that I was able to cram a clojure runtime into GNOME's JS execution engine. 🙂

yeah for CLJS for sure

also for sandboxing purposes still

the binary size of cream is now 187 or so

since it can execute bytecode maybe it can stay around this size and the rest of the deps can be run at runtime

but some benchmarks showed that bb is still even faster at loading deps

perhaps I'll rename cream to bb2 at some point, we'll see

Would that involve bundling the bb functionality (I'm especially thinking about tasks) in, or leaving it to be used as a dependency?

I can make it bb compatible once I know for sure this is where I want bb2 to be headed

like tasks, not so difficult to bring that into cream