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Question from @niwinz in the #admin-announcements channel - @luke have you considered funcool/catacumba as alternative to pedestal?

Here a link for the context: https://funcool.github.io/catacumba/latest/

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Whatever you do for HTML generation, please escape content by default simple_smile

@niwinz @surreal.analysis I am not familiar with those, but I’ll definitely check them out - I certainly want to build on the best thing out there.

And it’s likely you’ll be able to swap out the implementation simply by using a different module anyway.

@glenjamin: don’t worry, Arachne apps will be secure by default. I plan to get a professional security audit of the default setup at some point later on when things stabilize.

just wanted to mention that early, major footgun in hiccup simple_smile

@luke nice, the pluggable backend is nice, but catacumba is pretty high level, is not a "ring" impl. It a complete toolkit "a la pedestal" that I think it has simplier approach and better documentation

I’m going to be replacing the “programmer interface" layer of Pedestal with something easier and more usable, anyway - part of how Arachne abstracts all the facts about an application (routes, migrations, resources, dependency-injected components, etc) into a central configuration.

I’ll definitely look at Catacumba though - at the very least for inspiration and ideas of how to make a nice UI, whether or not I use it as (one possible) backend.

by UI I mean programmer UI

😉 nice

other security things I can think of that I believe are hard to retrofit would be: if there are any secret strings (eg. for signed cookies) ensure lein templates etc generate unique values if you have models with a merge(new-data) type interface, make it easy to whitelist attrs if you have models, ideally make it easy to have a 1-many relationship with resources (edit-profile vs admin-user for eg)

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Really a nice approach. Totally appreciate that. If you are looking for inspiration, I put together this template: https://github.com/sveri/closp based on luminus and there are some things I consider fundamental for developing web stuff like authorization and authentication, captcha support, email support, complete reloadability during development and some more. I think if you want to succeed across the clojure world you will have to deliver that and much more.

Considering that when RoR was coming out only few people gave a thing about Ruby and it surely is not much better today. It could be the same for a clojure web framework if we can show the advantages of the JVM.

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Hey @luke love that you're endeavoring to make web development (aka distributed systems engineering!) easier. I'd love to contribute materially with pull requests whene'er y'all ready to set it loose

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Thanks! It’s coming along well - expect a public code drop in the next few weeks

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