gnejs: I considered it, the idea is good, but the price is way too high imho for a remote conf

@mpenet really? At least the early bird price seemed very reasonable.

early bird is ok, regular not so much imo, given the costs involved

but again that's my opinion. I never organized a remote conf

good thing with these kind of conf would be that it makes it possible for people from "not so rich" countries (or with visa issues) to attend. But with that kind of pricing maybe not.

http://crowdcast.io is not really expensive either. So I don't know. But good initiative nonetheless

http://shaunlebron.github.io/parinfer/

@chrisoakman I just saw that about half an hour ago, it would be very helpful for me because I use minimal syntax highlighting.

I'm working on an Atom plugin you can try out: https://github.com/oakmac/atom-parinfer

I will tonight, I use emacs as my main editor at work

@chrisoakman: that’s neat, does Atom have a REPL integration story at all?

it’s been a long time since I looked at it

for beginners though probably doesn’t matter as much, this + Figwheel could be a solid way to get started

to be honest, I don't even know

ok yeah I don’t think it does

I picked Atom to integrate with because it was JS-extensible; having spent the last few days with the API it shouldn't be too hard to build a REPL into Atom

true story: I never use a REPL

Shaun says I'm a disgrace to Lisp 😉

step 1) Atom extension, step 2) Sublime Text extension - targeting popular editors

lol

ok I had unlearn a couple of things but I think I get how parinfer is supposed to work

it kind of makes Clojure like Python a bit

very clever

@dnolen: Are there any corner cases?

there are always corner cases

@malch: not that I can determine

the parentheses are always correct and computed from indentation

very smart

That’s very cool!

I don't understand these details, but I think Shaun "proved" Parinfer mathematically: http://shaunlebron.github.io/parinfer/#mathematical-foundation

definitely a massive win for newbies

(if such a thing is even possible)

they can just use indentation

that does sound cool :)

once I figured out it worked via indention all my confusion disappaered

it’s surprisingly natural

and requires few mental hoops

copy and paste and all that stuff just kind of works

definitely had to suppress my Paredit lizard brain

I can tell you there is definitely an edge case with the atom extension specifically: https://github.com/oakmac/atom-parinfer/issues/9

it's a hack I'm using for speed reasons, but the actual Parinfer algorithm doesn't have that bug

ah, the penny clicks - so it barfs/slurps automagically according to indentation?

and eventually that should go away

still super neato

cool to see some new thinking in this area

hi guys

speak of the devil 😉

oh, I thought someone was mentioning corner cases

http://shaunlebron.github.io/parinfer/ was much more helpful than the github home page 😉

yeah, my readmes are usually long, but I figured I wrote enough on the main page 😉

Hi, @shaunlebron. In the animations on http://shaunlebron.github.io/parinfer/ page, how to indent multiple files at once like you do?

@tap: multiple lines? select them and hit tab

is it working okay?

Only the first line moves for me

is that in atom or the webpage?

on the webpage

oh yeah, thanks, I broke it at some point

👍 Thanks for the nice work.

tabbing multiple selected lines works in the Atom extension

not a bug in the main Parinfer algorithm; probably a CodeMirror integration thing

Wow supercool @shaunlebron super interesting idea

It hurts my paredit brain though

paredit does a lot that parinfer can’t do, so I guess they can be used together

does anything exist for either sublime or atom that is similar to paredit-kill in emacs?

that's almost definitely my most-used command

more importantly: where do I get this parinfer magic for vim or spacemacs?

I think you write it, then share it with the rest of us.

yeah I was afraid that was the answer

time to learn vimscript/elisp I suppose

I've always teased my co worker for using Atom, but now I'm kind of jealous.

is there an existing guide to setting up atom for clojure/cljs dev somewhere?