ermm you don't have to wrap java objects

I guess, what's a more specific use-case?

is java calling into clojure, is clojure hacking on java objects?

I’m hacking on Java objects in clojure

This is probably useful if you haven't seen it yet for the former: http://cemerick.com/2011/07/05/flowchart-for-choosing-the-right-clojure-type-definition-form/

csd: why do you think a wrapper is in order?

Basically we have a large Java code base with lots of different platform objects. I’m writing a module in Clojure that relies on the platform objects

'bean' is fun for repl-inspection, other than that, it's pretty easy but watch out for reflection warnings. Wrapping an object model is kind of hard.

trying to find i think zach tellman's talk on it that was pretty good?

Well for one it makes the CLJ code less coupled to the Java

But I guess mainly it just felt right'

http://www.infoq.com/presentations/Distilling-Java-Libraries

gtrak: cool that seems relevant

@clojuregeek we're friendly over at Onyx if you're still looking for an open source project to dip your toes into. We used to have a bunch of newbie issues in the tracker, but I think we've solved them all! Let us know if you're interested and we'll rustle some more up :)

@lucasbradstreet: thanks!! I am pretty interested in Onyx since its something I haven’t done before (9yrs web/rails dev)

@clojuregeek: cool, most of the discussion happens on gitter https://gitter.im/onyx-platform. Michael Drogalis and I are in very different timezones, so there’s usually one of us on. I’ll have a think about some starter issues

I found it fun - distributed systems wasn’t my background. I think the code is quite clean and moderately easy to understand

http://cr.openjdk.java.net/~jrose/pres/201502-JVMChallenges.pdf Awesome talk slides on the future of the JVM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSdnJDO-xdg